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		<title>By: Craig Danuloff</title>
		<link>http://www.clickequations.com/blog/2009/01/attribution-question/comment-page-1/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Danuloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally agree that &#039;Lifetime&#039; vs &#039;Click&#039; attribution/allocation is the way to solve it. Very interesting idea to make decisions based on the product - keyword relationship. Assumes some meta data that may or may not be available. But your point is exactly right, how in the world could you automate that with any precision - we&#039;re looking at the same issue for pausing keywords based on inventory levels - great idea until you realize that the keyword-sku relationship isn&#039;t linear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree that &#39;Lifetime&#39; vs &#39;Click&#39; attribution/allocation is the way to solve it. Very interesting idea to make decisions based on the product &#8211; keyword relationship. Assumes some meta data that may or may not be available. But your point is exactly right, how in the world could you automate that with any precision &#8211; we&#39;re looking at the same issue for pausing keywords based on inventory levels &#8211; great idea until you realize that the keyword-sku relationship isn&#39;t linear.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://www.clickequations.com/blog/2009/01/attribution-question/comment-page-1/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you think?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve been pondering this for a while (thanks for the post); and I think part of this comes back to lifetime visitor values. If someone searched and converted again on the same site - makes me think that this company wasn&#039;t top-of-mind as a direct return visitor; and makes me think that a better loyalty program needs to be put into place if it happens often (it&#039;ll happen some regardless).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If product 2 was complimentary to product 1 -- meaning that by buying the first product the company was more likely to do business again with the same product - then the initial keywords should get some attribution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If product 2 was completely different, and the initial keyword didn&#039;t help increase the conversion process for the 2nd buy - they the first keyword shouldn&#039;t get any attribution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now - how do you automate and scale that type of decision?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>I&#39;ve been pondering this for a while (thanks for the post); and I think part of this comes back to lifetime visitor values. If someone searched and converted again on the same site &#8211; makes me think that this company wasn&#39;t top-of-mind as a direct return visitor; and makes me think that a better loyalty program needs to be put into place if it happens often (it&#39;ll happen some regardless).</p>
<p>If product 2 was complimentary to product 1 &#8212; meaning that by buying the first product the company was more likely to do business again with the same product &#8211; then the initial keywords should get some attribution.</p>
<p>If product 2 was completely different, and the initial keyword didn&#39;t help increase the conversion process for the 2nd buy &#8211; they the first keyword shouldn&#39;t get any attribution.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; how do you automate and scale that type of decision?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Danuloff</title>
		<link>http://www.clickequations.com/blog/2009/01/attribution-question/comment-page-1/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Danuloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally agree that &#039;Lifetime&#039; vs &#039;Click&#039; attribution/allocation is the way to solve it. Very interesting idea to make decisions based on the product - keyword relationship. Assumes some meta data that may or may not be available. But your point is exactly right, how in the world could you automate that with any precision - we&#039;re looking at the same issue for pausing keywords based on inventory levels - great idea until you realize that the keyword-sku relationship isn&#039;t linear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree that &#39;Lifetime&#39; vs &#39;Click&#39; attribution/allocation is the way to solve it. Very interesting idea to make decisions based on the product &#8211; keyword relationship. Assumes some meta data that may or may not be available. But your point is exactly right, how in the world could you automate that with any precision &#8211; we&#39;re looking at the same issue for pausing keywords based on inventory levels &#8211; great idea until you realize that the keyword-sku relationship isn&#39;t linear.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://www.clickequations.com/blog/2009/01/attribution-question/comment-page-1/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you think?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve been pondering this for a while (thanks for the post); and I think part of this comes back to lifetime visitor values. If someone searched and converted again on the same site - makes me think that this company wasn&#039;t top-of-mind as a direct return visitor; and makes me think that a better loyalty program needs to be put into place if it happens often (it&#039;ll happen some regardless).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If product 2 was complimentary to product 1 -- meaning that by buying the first product the company was more likely to do business again with the same product - then the initial keywords should get some attribution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If product 2 was completely different, and the initial keyword didn&#039;t help increase the conversion process for the 2nd buy - they the first keyword shouldn&#039;t get any attribution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now - how do you automate and scale that type of decision?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>I&#39;ve been pondering this for a while (thanks for the post); and I think part of this comes back to lifetime visitor values. If someone searched and converted again on the same site &#8211; makes me think that this company wasn&#39;t top-of-mind as a direct return visitor; and makes me think that a better loyalty program needs to be put into place if it happens often (it&#39;ll happen some regardless).</p>
<p>If product 2 was complimentary to product 1 &#8212; meaning that by buying the first product the company was more likely to do business again with the same product &#8211; then the initial keywords should get some attribution.</p>
<p>If product 2 was completely different, and the initial keyword didn&#39;t help increase the conversion process for the 2nd buy &#8211; they the first keyword shouldn&#39;t get any attribution.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; how do you automate and scale that type of decision?</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://www.clickequations.com/blog/2009/01/attribution-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1281</link>
		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you think?rnrnI&#039;ve been pondering this for a while (thanks for the post); and I think part of this comes back to lifetime visitor values. If someone searched and converted again on the same site - makes me think that this company wasn&#039;t top-of-mind as a direct return visitor; and makes me think that a better loyalty program needs to be put into place if it happens often (it&#039;ll happen some regardless).rnrnIf product 2 was complimentary to product 1 -- meaning that by buying the first product the company was more likely to do business again with the same product - then the initial keywords should get some attribution.rnrnIf product 2 was completely different, and the initial keyword didn&#039;t help increase the conversion process for the 2nd buy - they the first keyword shouldn&#039;t get any attribution.rnrnNow - how do you automate and scale that type of decision?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think?rnrnI&#8217;ve been pondering this for a while (thanks for the post); and I think part of this comes back to lifetime visitor values. If someone searched and converted again on the same site &#8211; makes me think that this company wasn&#8217;t top-of-mind as a direct return visitor; and makes me think that a better loyalty program needs to be put into place if it happens often (it&#8217;ll happen some regardless).rnrnIf product 2 was complimentary to product 1 &#8212; meaning that by buying the first product the company was more likely to do business again with the same product &#8211; then the initial keywords should get some attribution.rnrnIf product 2 was completely different, and the initial keyword didn&#8217;t help increase the conversion process for the 2nd buy &#8211; they the first keyword shouldn&#8217;t get any attribution.rnrnNow &#8211; how do you automate and scale that type of decision?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.clickequations.com/blog/2009/01/attribution-question/comment-page-1/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your Question:  Should KW1 and KW2 be part of the allocation chain for Conversion 2?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My Answer:  Only if they contributed to the conversion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a trick question.  You have not provided enough information to give an answer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Show me a few thousand cases of people clicking on various ads in various different sequences, who buy at different times along the way, and I&#039;ll analyze it and give you the answer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe 60% of the people who see Ad #3 will then buy, and the data shows that it makes no difference whether they ever saw Ad #1 or Ad #2.  Or maybe people who saw Ad #1 are twice as likely to buy when later they are exposed to Ad #3.  Without the data, it&#039;s impossible to say.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is this a guest post by the Mad Hatter?  : )   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This blog is amazingly great, one of my favorites, but today&#039;s question throws me for a loop!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your Question:  Should KW1 and KW2 be part of the allocation chain for Conversion 2?</p>
<p>My Answer:  Only if they contributed to the conversion.</p>
<p>This is a trick question.  You have not provided enough information to give an answer.</p>
<p>Show me a few thousand cases of people clicking on various ads in various different sequences, who buy at different times along the way, and I&#39;ll analyze it and give you the answer.</p>
<p>Maybe 60% of the people who see Ad #3 will then buy, and the data shows that it makes no difference whether they ever saw Ad #1 or Ad #2.  Or maybe people who saw Ad #1 are twice as likely to buy when later they are exposed to Ad #3.  Without the data, it&#39;s impossible to say.</p>
<p>Is this a guest post by the Mad Hatter?  : )   </p>
<p>This blog is amazingly great, one of my favorites, but today&#39;s question throws me for a loop!</p>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
		<link>http://www.clickequations.com/blog/2009/01/attribution-question/comment-page-1/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a very good question, and not an easy one to answer. Another question is what share of the credit each search should get. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, in countries where Google has a search share of 70-80% it&#039;s safe to assume that Adwords often overrides banners and other forms of advertising. In other words, Google has the luxury of &quot;stealing&quot; credit from other ads (as measured in many web analytics tools) simply because searching is so common.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Click on banner ad #1 -&gt; Click on banner ad #2 -&gt; Search on Google -&gt; All credit to Google.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We see a banner, we click on it, we don&#039;t buy right away. A day later we decide to buy, but we can&#039;t remember the URL. We search. We buy. Kaching Google.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very good question, and not an easy one to answer. Another question is what share of the credit each search should get. </p>
<p>Also, in countries where Google has a search share of 70-80% it&#39;s safe to assume that Adwords often overrides banners and other forms of advertising. In other words, Google has the luxury of &#8220;stealing&#8221; credit from other ads (as measured in many web analytics tools) simply because searching is so common.</p>
<p>Click on banner ad #1 -&gt; Click on banner ad #2 -&gt; Search on Google -&gt; All credit to Google.</p>
<p>We see a banner, we click on it, we don&#39;t buy right away. A day later we decide to buy, but we can&#39;t remember the URL. We search. We buy. Kaching Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
		<link>http://www.clickequations.com/blog/2009/01/attribution-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1280</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a very good question, and not an easy one to answer. Another question is what share of the credit each search should get. rnrnAlso, in countries where Google has a search share of 70-80% it&#039;s safe to assume that Adwords often overrides banners and other forms of advertising. In other words, Google has the luxury of &quot;stealing&quot; credit from other ads (as measured in many web analytics tools) simply because searching is so common.rnrnClick on banner ad #1 -&gt; Click on banner ad #2 -&gt; Search on Google -&gt; All credit to Google.rnrnWe see a banner, we click on it, we don&#039;t buy right away. A day later we decide to buy, but we can&#039;t remember the URL. We search. We buy. Kaching Google.rnrn]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very good question, and not an easy one to answer. Another question is what share of the credit each search should get. rnrnAlso, in countries where Google has a search share of 70-80% it&#8217;s safe to assume that Adwords often overrides banners and other forms of advertising. In other words, Google has the luxury of &#8220;stealing&#8221; credit from other ads (as measured in many web analytics tools) simply because searching is so common.rnrnClick on banner ad #1 -&gt; Click on banner ad #2 -&gt; Search on Google -&gt; All credit to Google.rnrnWe see a banner, we click on it, we don&#8217;t buy right away. A day later we decide to buy, but we can&#8217;t remember the URL. We search. We buy. Kaching Google.rnrn</p>
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